Friday, April 14, 2006

The Myth of Tiananmen Square Massacre

Most of us probably comfortably sat at home that night, watching the events unfold on TV. Very few people knew what really happened, as this event in America was spinned and twisted into the usual "hate-China" propaganda for mass comsumption.

However, our media made up for it recently. PBS aired a documentary titled The Tank Man.

The Frontline segment presented the Chinese government's casualty figure of 250 dead. I don't know if you ever researched this, but this figure is actually in-line with our NSA estimate:

The PBS documentary also dispelled the myth that students were "massacred" on TAM square grounds. If you haven't seen this you should. The documentary interviewed Journalists who were on the ground, as well as footages of thousands of students leaving the TAM square.

Actually, I have read this from another source years ago, from Columbia Univ. School of Journalism:

"as far as can be determined from the available evidence, no one died that night in Tiananmen Square.

A few people may have been killed by random shooting on streets near the square, but all verified eyewitness accounts say that the students who remained in the square when troops arrived were allowed to leave peacefully.

Hundreds of people, most of them workers and passersby, did die that night, but in a different place and under different circumstances."

[Just for reference, throwing molotov cocktail at riot police is a crime in US.]

And Jay Mathews’ intention is clear:

“Journalists have to be precise about where it happened and who were its victims, or readers and viewers will never be able to understand what it meant.”


Blogger gompertz said...

It is a little hard to believe that with soldiers, tanks, and gunfires, so few people died on TAM Sq. But I do agree with your skepticism about the Falun Gong claims.

6:43 PM  
Blogger nguyen-viet-nam said...

I think the TAM is only partially revealed, to this day. The Communist govn't tried to hide their cruelty toward their citizen and be "friendly" to the world. Every campaign under communist regime kills thousands of innocent people. Please be advise "don't believe whatever communist says, just take a closer look at what communist does", every Vietnamese knows that every well even a 10 years old kid. Please don't be fooled by the communist. Millions people in Eastern Europe were killed, many millions were killed by CCP, VCP (Viet Communist), CCP (Combodia Communist)...why the world turns a blind eyes and so stupid to believe in communism.

11:19 AM  
Blogger bobby fletcher said...

Mr. Nguyen, neither the Columbia Journal Review nor the Akita article is from CCP.

Both are western sources talking about standards of journalism in the west.

2:03 PM  
Blogger nguyen-viet-nam said...

The West doesn't know much about communism. In fact, only the people who live under communist regime truly understand what communism really is. It's a regime full of corruption, cruelty, unfairness. Why don't people just look at Cuba, North Korea, Combodia, Vietnam, China and see these countries for themselves? Why talk, reason... what is good about communism is for the senior party members only, not for people. Only the top people that can squeeze the blood from their own people for their own ego, ambition, wealth, fame...not for the people. Never believe communism. I'm a living proof. People in communist countries living below the living standard of a pet (dog, cat, bird....) in the West. Communist regime is a blood thirst regime. The leader is more ignorant and stupid, corrupt and treat everyone like slaves. CCP is even worst. Why look at Shanghai towers, but not look at poor farmers in the North? Can't fool again

11:43 AM  
Blogger bobby fletcher said...

Mr. Nguyen, my blog is not about communism, but America's media coverage of TAM.

You are not making any sense; I'm not promoting communism.

Did you watch the PBS special called "Tank Man"?

1:16 PM  
Blogger nguyen-viet-nam said...

Did I say many times that" Don't believe in whatever Communist says, just look closer to what Communist does". Communist always hides its own face otherwises it has no land. You're doing the same thing and just for kids.

8:45 AM  
Blogger bobby fletcher said...

Mr. Nguyen, my blog is not about communism, but America's media coverage of TAM.

You are not making any sense; I'm not promoting communism.

Did you watch the PBS special called "Tank Man"?

1:16 PM  
Blogger mahathir_fan said...

bobby, nice blog you have here. I'll be sure to book mark it.

anyway, I want to point you to a video which has eyewitness account that there was no massacre that night at Tiananmen Square.

my own amateur research suggest that there were killings earlier during the night and the morning after. the killings were mutual - people killed soldiers and vice versa.

The 250 dead figure is about right. The myth that thousands died was created by the CIA, but the US state department revised the figure down to 150 to 500 the next day. By then it was too late, and headlines around the world had printed in large bold words "THOUSANDS MASSACRED".

anyway, the video is at:

The eyewitness is Hou Dejian
(Movie clip time:5:57)
HDJ: "Many people say that at Tiananmen square about 2,000 were shot or perhaps several hundred were
shot. On the square were tanks that crushed people and students etc. etc.
I would like to stress that I did not witness this a bit.

I don't know where the other people witness this.
I was still there until 6:30, and I did not witness this.
I kept thinking: Is it necessary for us to use lies to fight the lies of our enemy?
Are the facts itself not strong enough? (clenches his fist)
If we use lies to attack our enemies that use lies, that will only satisfy our moment of anger.
But this is very dangerous because when your lies are exposed then from then on, you will have no power to defeat your enemy."

1:52 AM  
Blogger mahathir_fan said...

Nguyen may come from a so called Communist country but he doesn't know anything about Communism.

He is like a German who lives under Hitler and claims that because of Hitler, Democracy is evil because Hitler's Germany was a democracy.

Democratic development is a necessary development of Communism. In fact, people who hated Communism before WWII always thought that Communism is Democracy. Hitler thought about this problem and he said in Chapter 2 of Mien Kampf last 3rd paragraph:

The Jewish doctrine of Marxism rejects the aristocratic principle of Nature and replaces the eternal privilege of power and strength by the mass of numbers and their dead weight.

If you replace the word "Marxism" above with "democracy" you will see that the sentence would still have been correct. Central planning is only 50% of Communism. The other 50% of Communism is Democracy. Without Democracy, Communism is meaningless.

2:20 AM  
Blogger christmasghost said...

"America was spinned and twisted.."
that would be "spun" and if you were really a native speaking american named bobby fletcher and not a chinese spy you would probably know that. i wonder how your "handlers" are going to like it?
you are defending the red chinese while living in must feel right at can always visit lenin whenever you feel like it too.......almost as good as being at home in china.
let's hope the state department wakes up soon and sends you back where you belong...although seattle is a good second choice, as it's full of commies too.

4:27 PM  
Blogger bobby fletcher said...

christmasghost, I'll leave your comment there just to show the world what a racist looks like.

I'm not a Chinese national, ain't never been a citizen of the PRC.

But don't let the facts get in the way of your bigotry.

12:44 PM  
Blogger Terminator said...

when someone only knows to repeat "commies are evil" again and again and again, there is no need to talk with him/her rationally. Just watch the movie "The Shining", and you know what kind of person he/she is.

8:16 PM  
Blogger John said...

"christmas ghost" is a perfect example of the white, pompous, and ignorant racists that litter the internet these days. These are same type of idiots who will shout "Tibet" and "Commie" at the top of their lungs until they are blue in the face while they masturbate over US Marines killing Children in Iraq.

I also wouldn't be surprised if "christmasghost" there also gets his jollies out of America dropping the atomic bomb on Japan.

The sick thing is, guys like him are more common than one would expect.

11:40 PM  
Blogger Alice said...

Wow...what the many of the commenters here are so fucking racist. You know, here I thought I was so lucky to be bred & raised in the States, but if I'm stuck with arrogant racist sons of bitches like you who think you're better than "communsit China" just because we have live in a restricted society guised as freedom under the name of "democracy", then fuck that, I'll pick communism China any day of the week. At least I won't have to deal with obese uneducated Americans. Yeah, I know how to be racist too, I'm American after all. :)

@Christmas Ghost - Dude, if you're going to be anal about grammar, at least learn how to use capital letters, dumbass.

12:45 PM  

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